Urologist on National Primetime TV says NO to Chastity

[locked4her55]

I'm concerned that the 'nanny-state' is sticking their noses into far too many places that are none of their business.

That would be my guess. "Sorry, the law now states I have to ask these questions"

[wonderingwife]

I'm concerned that the 'nanny-state' is sticking their noses into far too many places that are none of their business.

That would be my guess. "Sorry, the law now states I have to ask these questions"

Nail on head, there.

TwistedMister wrote:

That was the first and only time I've ever been asked such a question

It is a sign of the times.

Last winter, I had a stack of books fall off a shelf and clobber my left shoulder. A couple of days afterwards I realized I wasn’t getting better and went to see my family doc. He had a niece, who was studying to be a nurse following him around for a few days. When she saw the bruises on my back/neck/shoulder she immediately asked if my husband was abusive. I saw my doctor visibly flinch. Before I could say anything he told her “If her husband had done this to her we’d be down at the county morgue checking out his body.” He knows nothing about our kink proclivities/sex life, but he knows me.

A few days later I crossed him at our local post office and he apologized for what his niece asked and told me he had had a talk with her after I left about tact and he finished with saying “This shit, it is getting out of control, but she was only doing what she is being taught.”

Like you, I’m concerned and sick to death of being nanny style legislated; no matter how many intrusive “picking away at civil liberties” laws passed, none of them will ever legislate the things that seem to be missing from the human food chain now days: common sense, intelligence and personal responsibility but being angry with a caregiver for asking if “someone did this” is like getting angry with the cashier at the market for the fact grocery prices are skyrocketing, be angry at egomaniacal over reaching law makers.

In most states ( may well be all states) here in the U.S. to not ask, even in the most obvious of circumstances could end up having them fired or at the very least brought up for review. You can thank O.J. for the current ‘nanny state’ domestic violence laws that go with making sure a person isn’t being abused by someone in their immediate family/friend circle. As much as I loathe the laws, they are a necessary evil; the daft aspect of these laws is the way they have been legislated has pretty much taken the capacity to assess the situation on a case-by-case context out of the hands of the care giver, so they have to treat every injury as a potential abuse grievance. It is maddening and then add the based on hyperbole reporting and just outright pejorative ignorance that in rampant in the medical community when it comes to “kinky people” and it is a nightmare waiting to happen for kinky people who do end up in the E.R.

Hopefully as time goes on some of the lunacy and damage being done by the likes of Mr. Penis Doc looking for his 15 minutes of fame, will be offset by more kink aware/friendly people like DocSwitch getting into the medical field.

[TheToy]

How can you take any Doctor serious who wrote a book called "Penis Power"? says it all really! I also assume this was on American TV so no Urologist is ever going to say there is no risk in fear of being sued, by an injured party.

[celticqueens_sub]

I'm concerned that the 'nanny-state' is sticking their noses into far too many places that are none of their business.

That would be my guess. "Sorry, the law now states I have to ask these questions"

Nail on head, there.

TwistedMister wrote:

That was the first and only time I've ever been asked such a question

It is a sign of the times.

Last winter, I had a stack of books fall off a shelf and clobber my left shoulder. A couple of days afterwards I realized I wasn’t getting better and went to see my family doc. He had a niece, who was studying to be a nurse following him around for a few days. When she saw the bruises on my back/neck/shoulder she immediately asked if my husband was abusive. I saw my doctor visibly flinch. Before I could say anything he told her “If her husband had done this to her we’d be down at the county morgue checking out his body.” He knows nothing about our kink proclivities/sex life, but he knows me.

A few days later I crossed him at our local post office and he apologized for what his niece asked and told me he had had a talk with her after I left about tact and he finished with saying “This shit, it is getting out of control, but she was only doing what she is being taught.”

Like you, I’m concerned and sick to death of being nanny style legislated; no matter how many intrusive “picking away at civil liberties” laws passed, none of them will ever legislate the things that seem to be missing from the human food chain now days: common sense, intelligence and personal responsibility but being angry with a caregiver for asking if “someone did this” is like getting angry with the cashier at the market for the fact grocery prices are skyrocketing, be angry at egomaniacal over reaching law makers.

In most states ( may well be all states) here in the U.S. to not ask, even in the most obvious of circumstances could end up having them fired or at the very least brought up for review. You can thank O.J. for the current ‘nanny state’ domestic violence laws that go with making sure a person isn’t being abused by someone in their immediate family/friend circle. As much as I loathe the laws, they are a necessary evil; the daft aspect of these laws is the way they have been legislated has pretty much taken the capacity to assess the situation on a case-by-case context out of the hands of the care giver, so they have to treat every injury as a potential abuse grievance. It is maddening and then add the based on hyperbole reporting and just outright pejorative ignorance that in rampant in the medical community when it comes to “kinky people” and it is a nightmare waiting to happen for kinky people who do end up in the E.R.

Hopefully as time goes on some of the lunacy and damage being done by the likes of Mr. Penis Doc looking for his 15 minutes of fame, will be offset by more kink aware/friendly people like DocSwitch getting into the medical field.

In the EU there is a law, a fucking law on the shape of bananas. FFS!!!!! Talk about victimless crime!!!

[wonderingwife]

In the EU there is a law, a fucking law on the shape of bananas. FFS!!!!! Talk about victimless crime!!!

What was someone afraid the bananas might offend the carrots, cuckes or zucchini?

(Most law makers really need to get real jobs.)

[celticqueens_sub]

Agreed! Anyway I'm dragging us off topic but could not help it. I just cannot cope with the nanny state we have here in the UK forced upon us by EU fucktards. Ate getting to the point that is illustrated by the two KGB agents... First one says "comrade what so you think of our regime and our lawmakers?' The second says ' I think the same as you comrade ' to which the first replies ' in that case comrade i have no choice bit to arrest you!'

Save us all from health and safety and bleeding heart liberals.

Oh wait.... That'll be the health and safety folks... Damn!

[wonderingwife]

illustrated by the two KGB agents... First one says "comrade what so you think of our regime and our lawmakers?' The second says ' I think the same as you comrade ' to which the first replies ' in that case comrade i have no choice bit to arrest you!'

Off topic maybe not so much,*shurgs* it’s useful to make people think about the dreaded “what ifs”.

I never really gave much thought to the “down side” of my kinky nature when it comes to dealing with the likes of medical professionals or first responders such as EMT personnel until after my son was born and then it was more about how my doing something that might have the ‘nanny’ on my door step could affect him and his life. It’s not so much needing medical attention for a kink related injury is a down side but it does add another hurdle to seeking medical attention in the event of the dreaded “if” factor.

This doctor’s attitude might have been an awakening of sorts for people who are new to kink arena and the conversations his attitude sparks may save beginners some unwarranted grief. A lot of people dive in head first, without thinking things through with just a minor bit of logical thinking and end up with a mess on their hands, be it an injury they don’t know how to deal with or the emotional fallout of diving in head first with a partner who wasn’t as prepared as they thought.

I’ve seen it happen more times than one might think it does and the last thing they need to have to sort out when this happens is the stigma factor of seeking help or having it hit them right in the face when the show up at the ER.

The truth is most all of us on this planet live with some kind a nanny styled meddling by our governments, and being conscious of that detail certainly isn’t going to harm anyone.

[TwistedMister]

In the EU there is a law, a fucking law on the shape of bananas. FFS!!!!! Talk about victimless crime!!!

Ummmmm...how does that work? Bananas are shaped by nature. What kind of law can one make regarding the natural growth of a plant?

[kpb57]

In the EU there is a law, a fucking law on the shape of bananas. FFS!!!!! Talk about victimless crime!!!

Ummmmm...how does that work? Bananas are shaped by nature. What kind of law can one make regarding the natural growth of a plant?

It's called the "Chiquita Law", because it only allows bananas like those that mainly come from the Caribean or Latin America, and keeps bananas like those grown in Turkey out. The Turks hate it.

-K

[DocSwitch]

Ok so I have a lot of conflicting feelings here. I am a staunch republican with exception to many social issues and really dislike the "nanny state" and can go on for hours regarding this, medicine, society, and the law but I shall not. My issue here is as a medical provider working primarily in an emergency department setting there is a lot to be said on the issue of mandatory reporting.

On one side, while I know what you're saying in regards to being asked about kink related injuries, I can't tell you being in a major metropolitan city, how many times asking that question about a bruise has led to saving lives. Women and children especially in abusive situations are extraordinarily reluctant to report for many reasons, however when given a safe environment, options, and reassurance some will. Many times it has to start by asking that simple question and many times it's unclear if it's even close to abuse. While with some the nature of the injury or the body language of the patient may be very clear give aways with others there are no indicators. Some women have been victimized for so long that it's common place and they no longer have the tell tale signs or even that "Vibe" that would set off a medical care provider's gut instinct. Other time's the abuser is so experienced they know how to make the injuries appear benign by specific placement of controlled hits or other methodologies. Because of this you may have some providers asking that question in some very benign appearing scenarios. The truth is we just can't tell sometimes and we *are* the first line, and at times the only line, of defense and screening. I take my job in this sense very seriously and I am zealous in my suspicions because I can't begin to describe some of the horror stories I've stumbled into both in the ER and on the streets as NYC EMT.

The converse side is this, some providers fail to report. Some providers fail to report or even ask in some of the most obvious of situations for various reasons. Some are politically motivated in certain areas of the city/state and bosses will actually passively torture someone till they stop or transfer, others are afraid of having to testify in court later on in any capacity or file the report due to it being time consuming, others are simply spineless and fear reprisal. So there are many times where people fall through the cracks and I'm ashamed of it being a member of this profession.

I understand nanny state laws are very intrusive at this point and I'm the first to jump up and yell about them however this is one of the few that I don't mind. There are few ways to screen for these unfortunate circumstances without offending or embarrassing some people. I'd rather be embarrassed by someone asking when it's consensual BDSM then to miss those that really need it. I hate having to defend the invasion of privacy but it's a difficult spot to be in for us as care providers.