Urologist on National Primetime TV says NO to Chastity

[TwistedMister]

The ‘not FDA regulated bit’ had me shaking my head thinking “None of the things I use in my sex life are FDA regulated, thank god.”

Holy crap, I should hope not. The government has gotten way too far out of hand as it is. Somewhere along the way, the "...inalienable rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness..." have gone right out the window. It's become the "...right to life so long as you don't do anything that 'We' think might be bad for you or otherwise dangerous, the liberty to do as We tell you and you damn well better shut your mouth and be happy that We are looking out for your own best interests because you're too stupid to make any choices on your own".

[wonderingwife]

*snort* Hey get off my soap box.

You said what I was thinking but didn’t type when I threw the mini hissy fit about the FDA comment. I was a bit stunned when the comment was made, why in the world would the FDA get into fetish gear and we are all S.O.L. if anyone from the FDA heard that comment and decides maybe they do need to start regulating chastity items.

The closest we have gotten to using anything that might cause some of the issues proposed in the inane segment would be a gates of hell
(explicit pic in the ad so proceed with caution)

http://stockroom.com/The-7-Gates-of-Hell-P344.aspx

My guess would be that thing caries a lot more risk then the birdlocked silicon device he has clamped on right now.

Wonder what kind of FDA warning that would get? And would really love to know what kind of FDA warning my whips would get! And I want to apply for the job as one of the “whip throwing testers”.

[fuzzydunlop]

In the public sphere it is always easier to be judgmental and condemning of any kind of sexual kink rather than understanding. Lazy is easy.

[Finn]

They have this thing now...it's called a chastity box........Maybe they meant the TV? I have less sex when I watch TV...lol.

On a side note, I now only have one "box" TV...heck. TV's not even a boob-tube anymore, since there's no cathode tube.....

[celticqueens_sub]

The ‘not FDA regulated bit’ had me shaking my head thinking “None of the things I use in my sex life are FDA regulated, thank god.”

Shit... fuck... is my dick not FDA regulated/approved??? If CQ finds out I will NEVER get to use it again!!!! Oh wait I live in the UK... Phew... Oh crap... the EU...... Oh God my tonuge...

[celticqueens_sub]

In fact as a site mod... I think we should all respect the fact that this very scientific and well conducted research on a huge sample of men in MCD's must be correct and I will have no choice than to ban you all from the site.

[wonderingwife]

In fact as a site mod... I think we should all respect the fact that this very scientific and well conducted research on a huge sample of men in MCD's must be correct and I will have no choice than to ban you all from the site.

But-but-but, I don’t have a dick nor do I wear one of the devices so that means I can stay right? *snort*

This whole ignorant spiel might turn into something interesting if the viewer mail indicates they have several viewers who have incorporated chastity into their lives with good results. The “doc-shock factor” for ratings would be too good to turn down for most producers to pass up.

Years ago one of the talk show hosts did a (adversarial ) show on BDSM and got hammered with mail about how they missed the mark; the next season they had people on who used BDSM in their life to answer questions and actually didn’t (totally) make the lifestyle look like an evil sick twisted choice. I recall one guy explain why he enjoyed pain play, explained the endorphin high that he felt during pain play and he said pretty much what every guy I have known who was into pain play “It may not make sense to others, but for me it makes the same sense as using alcohol or drugs to get a buzz. It a chemical addiction but the chemicals are my own, not illegal and not harmful for me to get high on.” I am guesstimating (?) there must be some of that that goes with being “in chastity” no matter how you choose to be "In it".

Besides the inane comment about not being FDA regulated another thing that bothered me about the “good doctor” he may have influenced some who do need medical help if a device does cause a problem. He may have added to the stigma and fear that comes with seeking help for an injury that is “kink related”. I knew a woman who had a rib broke during a scene and she wouldn’t go to the ER for fear her Dom would be prosecuted. No, a “cb injury” wouldn’t warrant that kind of intervention, but the stigma of “injury due to kink” is there and this dear dipshit doc is ammping it up.

[DocSwitch]

I have a very weird bag of mixed feelings here. I'm close to finishing my M.D. so I have some knowledge as to what he was suggesting. While true, if used incorrectly, a device can be extraordinarily dangerous due to retention of venous blood leading to ischemia. However a rubber band if used incorrectly can kill a person. So what he essentially did is go for the shock value by stating the absolute worst in possibilities with use of a device. Fair enough, while unfair and arrogant, he's not actually wrong from a technical standpoint.

What I take extreme offense too as both a kinkster and intelligent being is how the assumption was made that most people using the devices would be dumb enough or I'm sure in his mind "sick" enough to ignore signs of problems and stop playing. Also how the whole population of people interested in such things were laughable based on the demeanor of the both of the hosts. As a (soon to be) physician we're taught from a professional stand point to be detached. What I mean by this is we're going to run into a LOT of different people with views, beliefs, and behaviors that may completely deviate from everything we know. It's not our place from a professional stand point to pass judgement, we simply must evaluate if these things will have a negative effect on their well being and to attempt to negotiate change not from an angle of "This is wrong" but from an angle of "This is what's healthy." They did not do this here, they simply saw what they wanted to and allowed bias to shade their evaluation which is exactly why people in kink fear seeing a physician for kink related injuries or with questions about how it can effect their health. This is a shame as I feel many people could be helped in enjoying their sexual activities and staying healthy without the anxiety associated with wondering "Could this be bad for my heart condition?" or "My skin disease might get worse from this, but I don't know." etc.

They set kink friendly doctor's back about 30 years on national TV. I'm pretty pissed about that.

[wonderingwife]

DocSwitch wrote:

Fair enough, while unfair and arrogant, he's not actually wrong from a technical standpoint.

This is a shame as I feel many people could be helped in enjoying their sexual activities and staying healthy without the anxiety associated with wondering "Could this be bad for my heart condition?" or "My skin disease might get worse from this, but I don't know." etc.

They set kink friendly doctor's back about 30 years on national TV. I'm pretty pissed about that.

Back to “righteous anger”; there are times being pissed is justified. None of the kink-naysayers are ever “technically” wrong in what they say, there are inherent dangers that go with all kink. What is wrong more often than not is their approach is misinformed which shows an already ingrained biased and trying to get this group to change their minds is going to be almost impossible. It was the dismissive almost disgusted approach to the discussion that irked me. The only thing that is going to make the change happen is people going into the medical (and psychology/psychiatry) professions who are kink aware. Kink aware doesn’t mean practicing any kind of kink, it just means informed and friendly to people who are willing to embrace their kink nature.

I have to admit if bad dog or I were hurt during play and the injury would mean we would have to reveal our lifestyle I’d have some hesitations about seeking help, not because I am ashamed of what we “are” or what we do, I worry that it would have us investigated for domestic abuse. It’s a thin line that is always going to be a tough call for mandatory reporters and I don’t envy them that burden to bear.

There needs to be more kink education for people working in fields that puts them in a surrogate styled by default guardian ad litem charge of another person’s wellbeing. Hopefully this doc will get an education thru email and snail mail.

[TwistedMister]

I have to admit if bad dog or I were hurt during play and the injury would mean we would have to reveal our lifestyle I’d have some hesitations about seeking help, not because I am ashamed of what we “are” or what we do, I worry that it would have us investigated for domestic abuse. It’s a thin line that is always going to be a tough call for mandatory reporters and I don’t envy them that burden to bear.

Earlier this year I went for x-rays to determine if any bones were broken during a workplace injury, when I was still in significant pain a week later. I made sure that it was officially a 'workman's comp' case from the start so that I wouldn't be hitting my own insurance but, after the pics were done and I was consulting with the doc, she asked me if anyone was 'hurting me at home'.

The very first thought that flicked through my head was "Not as much as I'd like", but that was rapidly followed by an indignant "What the fuck?" It made me think they were fishing for things to report, and I was insulted on several levels (the first was that this bitch was implying that a big, strong 'he-man' like me was getting beat up by a woman and was unable to do anything about it, the second insult was that I might be stupid enough to try to use an easily investigated claim of a workplace injury as a cover for domestic abuse, and the third insult was that I was 'scared' and would want to cover it up). I was pissed off for days afterward.

That was the first and only time I've ever been asked such a question, though my regular doc sees me often enough for other complaints (and keeps me well-supplied with pain meds for chronic conditions acquired as a result of many years of packing a piece and running headlong into situations from which most other people would run screaming). I've been busted up, carved up, blown up, set on fire, shot and stabbed but this was the first time anyone has suggested that it might have been my wife who had done it.

I'm concerned that the 'nanny-state' is sticking their noses into far too many places that are none of their business.