Question #1: Milking

[Limp Biscuit]

Hi,

I have two questions tonight but decided to make two separate threads, since they are quite separate issues. My apologies if this is poor forum protocol. I am still quite new at this and currently have no keyholder, so all of my chastity restrictions are self-imposed currently.

Question #1: For reasons I don't really need to get into, I am not able to stimulate myself via anal penetration (due to surgery in the area, can't get to the prostrate that way and things don't really fit). Anyhoo, I know there are various techniques for "milking" so I guess this is a two part question:

A. Outside of anal penetration, what would people recommend. I have tried various things about the house that vibrate, and it does feel good, but doesn't quite get me there. I recently ordered a Magic Wand which I hear is quite the device, so let's hope that gives enough kick to do the job. Any other suggestions?

B. I guess this question is more for the keyholders....what is an appropriate period of time between "milking"....a week? Two? Does it vary from person to person.

I am trying to get myself into a good routine while I search for my keyholder (if it ever happens). I don't feel that not having an appointed keyholder should give me special privileges. I am what I am and want to have a better understanding of what might be reasonable to expect if the time ever comes.

All input is welcomed.

Thank you.

[Locked by LRC]

The thought of doing this has always interested me but, I'm to lazy. Do a Google search for "External prostate massage". Here's a couple of ideas I found.

1.Use some natural castor oil or almond oil to massage the perineum area (between the anus and sack) while at the same time doing your prostate exercises, squeezing the pubococcygeus or PC muscle (the stop pee muscle). The combination is very powerful and will bring much of the benefit of an internal prostate massage.
2.Find your male G-spot. Again, it's about one inch below the rectum towards the scrotum. If massaged during sex, it stimulates the prostate for double pleasure. It can also be used to stop ejaculation if pressed deeply just before the tipping point.
3.Do the perineum massage gently at first and increase the pressure as you go along. Then deeply massage the G-Spot, all while doing your prostate exercises squeezing and holding with deep breathing.


There is also a device that claims to be usable for an external massage that you rock forward and back on.

The link to the site were it talks about this device. http://www.menshealthcures.com/perineum-massage/

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[Aarkey]

Limp Biscuit, welcome to the board.

If your goal of "milking" is simply to have a release while still in lockup, a strong massager is good enough for most men (it is for me) after a period of denial.

I can't personally imagine that an external massage of my perineum would release any fluid - which is what Locked by LRC suggest trying, though we are all unique and what doesn't work for some can sometimes work perfectly for others.

[TwistedMister]

I can't personally imagine that an external massage of my perineum would release any fluid - which is what Locked by LRC suggest trying, though we are all unique and what doesn't work for some can sometimes work perfectly for others.

Ya, external massage doesn't work well for me.

Yesterday however, I was reading about 'milking' using electric stimulation- apparently it works quite well, as those in the horse and cattle farming industry can attest, it is one of the favored methods of extracting semen from stallions and bulls for breeding programs using artificial insemination.

I was also looking at some of the various devices that can be purchased for this...don't buy anything from a company called "Zeus". The vast majority of reviews on Amazon are all bad, and the company will not give refunds or exchanges- They are basically ripping off suckers who look at their relatively low prices (compared to most other similar products) by delivering shoddy, cheap junk that often doesn't work at all, and if it *does* work (for a little while) their practice of using [cheaper] logarithmic potentiometers in the intensity control circuits causes users to experience the situation of going from "Jeez, I can barely feel that" to "Holy fuck, turn it off, TURN IT OFF!!" in very short order...and then just ripping the wires out.

Here's an interesting link:

http://anna-braxtons-store.myshopify.co ... of-her-man

There are a lot of interesting articles and e-mails on 'milking' using this method. Depending on the desired outcome, one can control the experience so that either a very good orgasm is delivered...or he is milked dry in frustration with no orgasm at all. I think it might be fun to give this a whirl.

[Aarkey]

I know of one Dominant woman who has a medical background, who has told me that she recently has been working on making men ejaculate through electrical stimulation. She said she had some success with one fellow who was locked in a chastity device, and she used an electrical anal plug and sound. She had kept it on a mid-low level for a while and after about a half hour, said she was frustrated, cranked it up to high and *boom*

If folks want to learn more, I can see if she might be interested in popping in here and contributing.

[TwistedMister]

If folks want to learn more, I can see if she might be interested in popping in here and contributing.

Sure, could be educational. My preference tends to run to 'hands-on' learning, but the 'fun budget' is kind of lean at the moment.

[Caged55]

.. Also relatively new to being milked, only once successfully by a Pro-Dom and soon to be by my wife using the P.E.S stimulator.
I struggled with the Aneros and manual stimulation (even the Pro-Dom struggled) until she introduced some mild electricity, and it became unstoppable. She prefers good old Olive Oil as a lubricant, said the old Greeks used it for anal sex for 100's of years and does not dry out like many water based lubes. Also many anal lubes contain a desensitizer which will numb the prostrate versus a natural based oil allowing the prostrate to become more sensitive (according to the experts)....

The purpose of being milked, for my KH, is the absence of me having an orgasm, draining my sperm without orgasmic ejaculation and more of a controlled "milking" of my sperm.
I do believe manual milking the prostrate is an art, one neither my KH or myself have mastered, wish we did though makes "spontaneous" milking so much easier than setting up the P.E.S

[wishful4]

I have only been milked twice. Both times it was with a dildo, the second being a rather large dildo. I was caged both times. Both times it was insanely frustrating, but no semen, just lots of precum. The most notable effect was emotional. I was a train wreck after the first time. So horny and frustrated as if I had been edged all day. I just wanted her to hold me and not let me go. The state I was in, I would have agreed to anything. Too bad she didn't ask for a new car. She has not done it in quite a while. I have mixed feelings whether I want to do it again or not.

[Aarkey]

I have only been milked twice... but no semen, just lots of precum.

FWIW, and I'm not the "decider of all things kinky" - but for me, that is not being milked. I would suspect you're well on your way to having it done, assuming your keyholder wants to keep trying.

I have had the experience you describe - having my prostate massaged over for a period of time with the desire to milk out semen from it, with a lot of precum resulting (and no semen) at least two dozen times. However, I have had my prostate milked three times. All three by the same professional Dominatrix. All three times it took a good long while (between 40-60 minutes) and all three times I was locked in my chastity belt and denied for over 10 days. And in each case, I had not realized it had happened until afterwards when she showed me.

She's a bit of an expert at it, and her biggest kink is putting things in men's behinds. So, she's more than willing to keep on working and trying. According to her (and I have no reason to doubt her at all) my prostate is simply a little deeper than it is on most men, and so devices like the Aneros simply don't reach far enough into me to do what they claim they will do. She used a women's g-spot massager on me the first time she was able to milk me, and then instructed me to get a pyrex g-spot toy (which I now have) to use for the next few times.

Prostate Milking is definitely not a 100% enjoyable experience, particularly physically. And the torment of it, and the continued denial of orgasm while in chastity is definitely one of the most powerful feelings of submission that I have experienced. For that reason, I enjoy it. But physically it feels a lot like having a really desperate, almost painful need to urinate.

[Aarkey]

A note from my friend, she's a doctor and has a real technology fetish - as well as a growing interest in putting men in chastity.

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Most of my estim hands-free stimulation has been without the penis in chastity. Ejaculation has only occurred, and has occurred pretty consistently, with the use of an Erostek 312B unit. I tried using the Folsom and Mystim control boxes, but I was unimpressed with the lack of an obvious audiovisual finish. With the Erostek, I would get usually get results using a bipolar anal dildo in conjunction with a pair of unipolar penile electrodes (one at the base and the other below the head will give a stroking sensation). After slowly ramping up the intensity in the Waves setting, this would induce ejaculation ultimately between 50-60% intensity to the channels.

My recent electro chastity experiment was using the 312B with a bipolar anal dildo on one channel and on the other the Pubic Enemy No.1 by Mystim that has electroconductive surfaces on both sides of the cage. It DOES NOT have a urethral sound (I am hoping to acquire the Pubic Enemy No. 2 which does). After spending a while with the intensity in the lower 50%-ages, I figured ejaculation would not occur, as "they're called chastity devices for a reason." New plan was then to continue slowly ramping up the intensity to see how much the bottom could take. Within 5 minutes, and less than 60% intensity on the control unit, ejaculation was achieved with minimal warning. I was very impressed.

For those new to estim and are on a limited budget, I would recommend putting on some disposable electrode pads and hooking them up to someone else's estim control unit to get an idea of how the sensations would feel before gambling with your money. The cheaper boxes like the Rimba/Zeus might do the job, but saving up for a more expensive unit like the Erostek might be a worthwhile investment as it is very versatile to give pleasure as well as punishment.