Ruined orgasm vs Devotional Tao

[Papageno]

While reading various posts, I see two conflicting methods:
- Ruined orgasm= ejaculation without orgasm
- Devotional Tao= orgasm without ejaculation
Both techniques are said to avoid refractory period. But they are so opposite that it is difficult to believe that both works.
I don't have experience of any. Could those having experimented with one or the other please comment?

[cycling2work]

ruined orgasm - seems to me it is ruined by someone else. Denied orgasm, denied by someone else. Devotinal Tao - The man chooses to not ejaculate.

A man who practices the Taoist multi-orgasmic man technique
This is not orgasm denial because it is the man who decides when he will or will not ejaculate, and there is never a time when the female denies him. (See Chapter 3 for more information about this technique.)

http://devotionalsex.com/14entry_ejacdenial.html

[Devotional Sex]

The book The Multi-Orgasmic Man by Mantak Chai teaches the Taoist technique. I can assure you that this works. Because the orgasm doesn't have ejaculation the man can continue to orgasm for as long as he wishes.

With Tao the decision of when to ejaculate is the mans, and one benefit of the technique is that with the stored up energy the ejaculation is even more powerful and pleasurable than usual.

This is a technique that the average person can see the benefits of - though for most it is too much effort.

A ruined orgasm is usually 'inflicted' upon the man. And he misses out on the pleasure of orgasm.

This is a kink which is enjoyed by some but it's obviously something that the average person will struggle to see the benefit of.

Devotional Sex is in the middle in that though the man can learn to orgasm without ejaculating many men don't get this far. So with Devotional Sex a 45 year old will go about a week without ejaculating, with his Princess deciding when he will do so, and with both enjoying his more powerful ejaculation when he does cum.

When the Knight can't orgasm without ejaculating it is clearly harder to sell the concept to the average person. But its probably easier to sell than chastity because a Knight doesn't wear a chastity device and its easy to sell than ruined orgasms because one can say that one really great ejaculation beats 3 or 4 little ones.

Which is best? That's an easy question ...

The best is what works best for you and your partner.

[Devotional Sex]

PS - When I was teaching myself to orgasm without ejaculating I one time milked myself by mistake - that is when trying to prevent myself from ejaculating with orgasm I managed to not have the orgasm but the ejaculation happened with the cum just flowing out.

When this happened I felt my erotic energy flowing out. So just like an ordinary ejaculation I needed a recovery time before I felt like more sexual activity.

So clearly what I experienced must be different from a ruined orgasm which the initial poster says maintains the man's erotic energy.

[TwistedMister]

PS - When I was teaching myself to orgasm without ejaculating I one time milked myself by mistake - that is when trying to prevent myself from ejaculating with orgasm I managed to not have the orgasm but the ejaculation happened with the cum just flowing out.

When this happened I felt my erotic energy flowing out. So just like an ordinary ejaculation I needed a recovery time before I felt like more sexual activity.

So clearly what I experienced must be different from a ruined orgasm which the initial poster says maintains the man's erotic energy.

I have found that there is a lot of variability in 'ruined' orgasms, depending on how they are administered and the intensity. Sometimes they can be such that there is no loss of desire and several can be administered in succession. Other times they can be frustrating but such that the erection fades and desire ebbs- there *is* some recovery time needed, which can range from an hour to a day (for me, others may be different).