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Dev wrote: As I've thought about this today, I realize there is a part of me deep down inside that says, "I don't care if he never has another orgasm."
Dev wrote:I can suddenly understand the concept of permanent orgasm denial,
Dev wrote:I may be able to live without a real cock is the reason I am NOT going to go off and find myself a real boyfriend while he atrophies away to nothing in his JB
you're toying with us aren't you? just trying to get us guys spun up on a slow Sunday night -

-A

p.s. yeah, I know those are all out of context but still......

p.p.s. I love that I have to hit 'Submit' to post this. Can we get that changed to 'Submit to Dev' :lol:
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Atone wrote: p.p.s. I love that I have to hit 'Submit' to post this. Can we get that changed to 'Submit to Dev' :lol:
Hahahaha, that makes me hot. ;)

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I've already responded to some of this via e-mail, but some of it is stuff that I think is important to repeat to the forum, as it may help other people.

First of all, one may have the expectation that once unlocked after some time that you'd instantly be rejuvinated to an 18 year-old version of yourself, instant erections and all. At least in my experience that doesn't always happen. Seems to sometimes take a day or so to return to equilibrium. if you're not expecting this possible outcome, it can be disconcerting. Given that we've been doing this for several years, I know that this can happen, and it doesn't freak me out so much any more.

Next, stress just sucks, especially stress on that level. Doesn't help with anything.

Another aspect is that you do indeed get a "high" from chastity play. The prospect of coming down from that high can result in some seriously mixed feelings. I always get a little anxious right before and immediately after a period of chastity play ends. I've gotten comfortable with the buzz I get from it, and the change is just disconcerting. I just went through both of these reactions, having just ended a 6 week run. I'm now in kind of a steady state, having fun, but also looking forward to returning to the play, and the high that goes with it.

Finally, you hang in there, Dev. It'll all be OK. Many hugs from both of us - more via other means.
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likes2blocked wrote:Seems to sometimes take a day or so to return to equilibrium. if you're not expecting this possible outcome, it can be disconcerting.
Yup.
likes2blocked wrote:I always get a little anxious right before and immediately after a period of chastity play ends. I've gotten comfortable with the buzz I get from it, and the change is just disconcerting.
Yup again.
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Dev wrote:Ab got home from work about 1:30 pm. I had waited on lunch so we ate together which was nice. He made the comment, "I think you may have more Domme in you than you realized...or I realized." I raised my eyebrows at that, not sure what he meant. He went on to say that yesterday, I seemed a little pissy when he got home (I was) and the pissiness continued through dinner. But the minute he put the JB back on, I perked right up and later, was perfectly happy to have lots of sex---in the "old" days, the pissy mood would have persisted for a day or two. Hmmm....

He also said something that made it clear we had slightly crossed signals about what being out of the JB meant. He thought it meant he could do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted including masturbate. I had thought I had expressed my feeling that even though he was free, I still expected some Dev time and attention, ie, I didn't want him wearing himself out with his own hand (as he has been known to do before). So, somehow or another, we weren't on the same wavelength.

As I've thought about this today, I realize there is a part of me deep down inside that says, "I don't care if he never has another orgasm." I know that sounds incredibly selfish which is why it is hard for me to even admit it to myself (and I can only post it here because I count you as friends who won't judge me harshly. I'm not putting it on the blog, though.). But for the first time since we've started playing, I can suddenly understand the concept of permanent orgasm denial, which prior to today didn't make much sense to me at all. But we seem to have been having a fine time with fingers, tongues, vibrators, and dildoes. Do I really need a real cock? Does he really need a "real" orgasm? It's a little bit of a radical idea but something I need to think about.

(And the fact that I may be able to live without a real cock is the reason I am NOT going to go off and find myself a real boyfriend while he atrophies away to nothing in his JB. Just needed to make that clear.)

D
Without sounding like an amateur shrink I think you have conditions that make your life better with him locked up and denied. As sort of an outsider looking in and with his toe in the door (And his Curve ready to go) let me say this.

You had one experience with him unlocked that wasn't so good. You equate his being uncontrolled with him masturbating which = bad sex for you and lousy behaviors by him. Instead of solving this by planning on permi orgasm denial why not focus on the goal(s) you want and use the tools at hand to reach them?

For example. Masturbation? Unless its mutual masturbation during sex? Whats wrong with forgeting it? Take it off the plate so to speak. You guys seem to communicate. Explain how this screws up your day / how it makes you feel. Control over that is already locked on his cock. Instead of full time orgasm denial make it full time ahh masturbation control?

How he performs after being unlocked. Again, this was that single time where you both had gone (Just my opinion) a long time and sex is not like riding a bike. At least not riding it well. You and he have learned all this NEW sex stuff that you really like. How can it be impossible to do "newish" sex with him unlocked? Maybe make one of your future goals new couples sex thats not the old sex but is the new sex with a conclusion that involves male climax? Save his orgasm for last maybe? Maybe Ab needs to understand just what you have gained and how he may have to be more?? Mature? not a good word but the idea is simply that he has to keep his focus.

I think its totally great (and super hot) that your finding out how to really enjoy sex and are not willing to give that up. I don't know that it makes you a sadistic DOM to find you enjoy orgasm and don't want to let anything screw that up.

Anyway, thats my newbee 2 cents...
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How can it be impossible to do "newish" sex with him unlocked? Maybe make one of your future goals new couples sex thats not the old sex but is the new sex with a conclusion that involves male climax? Save his orgasm for last maybe?
He actually said last night that maybe his "mistake" over the weekend was not giving me an orgasm first and focusing on himself. That's what set me up to be annoyed.

Either way, it's all water under the bridge, now. We had a good talk last night, he put on some of his favorite clothes (which always starts to get him in a kinkier mood), and I took the cage off for sex and an orgasm---with the stipulation that it had to be on and locked by 6 am. It was.

Re: the masturbation...yes, Jimi, I have said to him that I would prefer if masturbation is mutual except under specific circumstances that I know about (such as if I am away on a trip). At the moment, he's okay with this.

My current thought is that this lock-up will last until the Watchful Mistress arrives, which should be about another 10 days or so. We'll see...

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Dev wrote:My current thought is that this lock-up will last until the Watchful Mistress arrives, which should be about another 10 days or so. We'll see...
I like that, I think that adds to the excitement of waiting for both.

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Except he doesn't know about the WM. That will be a surprise. (Unless he's lurking on this forum, which I don't think he is. Ab is not a forum-type guy.)

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Dev wrote:As I've thought about this today, I realize there is a part of me deep down inside that says, "I don't care if he never has another orgasm." I know that sounds incredibly selfish which is why it is hard for me to even admit it to myself (and I can only post it here because I count you as friends who won't judge me harshly. I'm not putting it on the blog, though.). But for the first time since we've started playing, I can suddenly understand the concept of permanent orgasm denial, which prior to today didn't make much sense to me at all. But we seem to have been having a fine time with fingers, tongues, vibrators, and dildoes. Do I really need a real cock? Does he really need a "real" orgasm? It's a little bit of a radical idea but something I need to think about.

(And the fact that I may be able to live without a real cock is the reason I am NOT going to go off and find myself a real boyfriend while he atrophies away to nothing in his JB. Just needed to make that clear.)

D
Dev, in the spirit of the thread title "I need moral support!" I want to express that my wife feels precisely as you do. The overall body of evidence APPEARS to support the notion of the male orgasm as being unnecessary. As such, my wife says that the minuses (of me cumming) clearly outnumber the pluses.

Your point about this feeling obviating the desire (lack of it) for cuckoldry makes perfect sense. When a woman is getting regular orgasms, she is very unlikely to want "something else".

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This is not to support cuckolding but I think the appeal that comes from this is the ladies get the cock without the attitudes etc. They use it for what they wish then can go back to the type of man they want.

My thought on this is that instead of having two (or more) men to provide these ahh.. "Functions" use MC to mold one guy into everything you want. And on that topic I think the long term denials and associated premature ejaculation issues go hand in hand so why not craft things so you don't have that to deal with.

And yes, I realize that I'm sounding like every "new" guy who wants both orgasm and chastity. But again. Is not the whole point "control" not "denial"?