Thinking about metal

[CaptivatedCaveman]

Since things have been going so well in our experiences with chastity, I've begun thinking about what I'd look for in a metal device. Not that I will be getting one any time soon. It's going to take a while to save up enough pennies.

Still, I like to plan ahead and I'd appreciate advice on the purchase of a good long-term device. If I had to list my priorities from highest to lowest, I think it'd go like this:

1. Comfort - I don't know how far we are going to take our chastity play, but I don't want the chastity device to be the limiting factor. This means it has to be easy to wear and clean long term.

2. Concealable - I'd like something even less noticeable than the CB6000S I'm currently wearing. I have young children and I don't want them to be ostracized because the other parents keep them away from 'the weird guy with strange bulges in his pants'.

3. Security - Mainly I want to be certain it won't fall off. Any device can be defeated with enough effort. I'm not hung up on the unrealistic notion of making it "escape proof."

4. Price - We don't have much spare cash, but I'm willing to save up for a quality device that I can use for years. I have some collectibles I'm going to put on ebay and see what I can scrounge up.

Other issues:

I apparently have a nickel allergy. My body did not react well to the cheap metal O-rings I bought from a hardware store to experiment with cock rings, and I have to keep my car keys in a small pouch to keep my thigh from itching. My understanding is surgical stainless steel is not an issue, but I'll probably get hold of a piece to keep against my skin for an extended period before shelling out the cash for a new toy.

Options:

I've been looking at Mature Metal's Jail Bird and Queen's Keep as well as Steelworxx' Looker 01.

I'm not too thrilled by the Mature Metal products. They looked nice at first glance, but I've read complaints about how the cage and base ring line up that give me pause. Also the only alternative to a masterlock is a security screw, which I don't really like. The psychological impact of your KH securing you in the device shouldn't be underestimated and the slow process of tightening a screw undermines that for me. The big thing MM has going for it is the price.

I really like Steelworxx' Looker 01. If I were to purchase it I'd get it with the anatomical base ring and integrated lock. I do have a few concerns about it, though.

First, that urethral tube doesn't seem practical for long term wear. I'd either do without it or consider the following: See if I can get the device with a much shorter permanent urethral tube, maybe half an inch in length. The idea would be to have something that would stay inside the urethra by virtue of the short length of the cage, thus allowing for easy urination and improved hygiene. A more complicated version of this would be to incorporate this shortened urethral tube with a genital piercing, either a Prince Albert or Reverse Prince Albert. The shortened urethral tube would in effect become part of a very short Prince's Wand, ending just past the piercing. The cage would have to be modified to allow the crossbar pin to enter from above or below (depending on the piercing) and thread into the urethral tube. Ideally the head of this crossbar pin would end up flush with exterior body of the tube, thus maintaining the device's concealable qualities.

Second, the gap between the cage and base ring is 12mm, much larger than the spacer I'm currently using in the CB6000S. That spacer is the only thing keeping my balls from popping out of the 1.75 inch base ring I'm using. My experiments with the 1.5 inch base ring in my old CB3000 did not go well. It wasn't comfortable and once I had to remove it because a hydrocele had begun to form between the ring and the cage. Maybe I can work my way back down to it, maybe not. As it stands right now, I'd have to get that 12mm gap shortened for the device to work for me.

I'd appreciate any advice, thoughts, suggestions or alternatives that people can give me. This is an expensive proposition and I'd like to have a well thought out design before I proceed.

Thanks.

[locked4her55]

I’ll keep this short since it looks like you are moving towards the Looker 01.

Wore the CB6000's for 2 years. Wasn't sure anything could be more comfortable but wanted the secure feeling of Stainless Steel and my wife and I really wanted to address the hygiene problems with the CB series.

The Mature Metal Jail Bird has solved both issues. More comfortable than the CB6000s. Haven't been pinched yet and I find I move around and bend over much easier. As for security, once adjusted properly with the right ring and gap size, there's no getting out without removing the screw. Now to the screw. We opted for the High Security Screw and not having that padlock look has really lowered my profile.

Best of luck which ever you choose.

[CaptivatedCaveman]

I’ll keep this short since it looks like you are moving towards the Looker 01.

Actually, it depends on what day you ask me. I'm still going back and forth about it. Hearing of your good experience is certainly a mark in Mature Metal's favor. And my wife did respond more favorably to their design aesthetic than Steelworxx. Also it looks like the bars of the MM cages would be more easily compatible with a Prince Albert or Reverse Prince Albert piercing.

So I don't know yet.

Thank you for responding. I was beginning to feel kinda lonely around here.

[Atone]

I like to plan ahead and I'd appreciate advice on the purchase of a good long-term device.......

A couple of thoughts on your quest.

I have had a CB-3000, Several MM Jailbirds, a Pet Trap, and a couple Steelworxx Steelhearts.

Mature Metal makes a good device. Steelworxx brings it up a notch or two. I find the larger diameter base ring to be much more comfortable. The fit and finish is great. The integrated lock is very low profile and uses a real key.

1) Comfort - the tube devices are very comfortable, more so than the cage type devices. They are a little more difficult to clean but it can be done.

2) Concealable - any of the custom metal devices are pretty good in this area. The lock is the biggest part that will stand out. The steelworxx integrated is the best that I have seen. Maybe the Lori's too but they don't use a real key. How concealable it is will depend on what size you get. The Steelheart that I wear is extremely compact, the only part that stands out at all is the lock and that is pretty minor. I am a grower though so my flaccid sized tube is pretty small, 57mm for the tube part. I have another that is only about 10mm longer and it makes a big difference in the concealablilty. It doesn't stand out but I have to avoid certain positions. I can wear just a pair of underwear and not be concerned about someone (the kids) noticing. I don't worry about visual detection at all. If you (and I mean you specifically, not a generic 'you') knew I was wearing it you might be able to tell under certain circumstances. I am positive that anyone not in the know would just think it was a strange fold, or my keys, or something. I make sure that I avoid a situation where someone might bump against it. Not likely to happen too often but occasionally it could happen. I wouldn't want one of my kids to hop up on my lap unexpectedly but if I know it is going to happen it is fine. My youngest sat on my lap while I cut the grass a couple of weekends ago, no big deal.

3) Security - I agree with your concern about the device falling off. That has always been my #1 concern as well. Having a big chunk of metal land at your feet could be a real embarrassing situation. You mentioned your concerns about the gap on the Steelworxx device. He can make it whatever you want. The anatomical ring will make it more difficult to keep secure. I have one and don't like it. What happens is the gap becomes much wider in the center where the bend is than around the sides. If you rotate the device a little that larger gap will line up with one nut and it will pop through pretty easy. Rotate the other way and the other is out. If you set the gap small enough on the anatomical ring to prevent that you will likely not have enough gap the rest of the way around and may have issues with ball burn, or other comfort issues. I guess the size of your testicles will impact that as well.

4) Price - No working around this one. Steelworxx is expensive. Make sure you create an account on his website indicating you are in the US. The prices will then reflect that you don't have to pay VAT. That makes a big difference, around 18% I think.

I love the looks of the Looker 01 and may get one someday. I have only played with a penis plug a very little bit but don't think I would want one for the relatively long times (3 weeks plus, sometimes 8 weeks or more) that I usually stay in a device without any removal. You can get the looker 01 with a removable penis plug. I understand your idea of a shortened urethral tube but I think 1/2" would be too short. I have a fixing with the standard 35mm length and don't think I would go shorter than that.

I don't have any experience with metal allergies so I cannot help with that except to say find out first. If you have to, order just a cockring from one of the vendors and wear it for a while. Make sure you clean it real good before you wear it to make sure it doesn't have any traces of machine oil or polishing compound on it.

I think I hit most of your main points, if you have other questions feel free to ask.

[CaptivatedCaveman]

Atone, thanks for the excellent feedback. I'll get back to you with a few questions soon, once things are back to normal around here (see my other thread for details).

[Sir Chaste]

I just received the set of plastic measuring rings from Mature Metal, and I was also looking at the Chastity Heaven website, to compare their basic cage designs in stainless steel. Does anyone have any information or reviews of the Mature Metal vs. Chastity Heaven cage models. It is interesting that Chastity Heaven sells the identical set of pink plastic rings!

[Tom Allen]

Chastity Heaven is actually a reseller for MM devices. They just re-name thing things.

I don't think that this is common knowledge, so don't go blabbing it around.

My understanding is that CH started back when MM wasn't making a lot of these, but when MM saw how well it was taking off, then he got someone to do his own web store. And some people did not like having to deal with CH as the "go-between" when it came to making changes and modifications.

Personally, I have some serious reservations about the CH website. The CH guy designed it, and the site builder tried to talk him out of it, but right on the main page he's calling them "The Lamborghini of Chastity Devices." Man, that's just begging for a lawsuit, IMO.

That, and it's pink. Why do 3/4 of chastity pages have to be pink?

[Sir Chaste]

Maybe to appeal to the KH's!

[celticqueens_sub]

Mike,

metal was a huge revelation for me. I had a terrible time with the CB6000 splitting and cleaning was a bind. I am just not that paitent... I have a MM jail bird and it is so comfortable most times I don't know it is there.

Proper surgical metals should not cause most people a problem, but it all depends on how severe your allergic reactions are... I would suggest finding the cheapest and smallest "thing" made from high grade surgical steel and keep that against your body. I would email MM and ask him to make you something as a tester in terms of a small bit of metal? Explain your dilema to him and see if he can help?

On the subject of uretheral inserts... Not had any real experience... but I would have thought the incredibily sensistve mucous membranes in there would be a source of real irritation? I have worn penis plugs during sessions with CQ and I have to say I find them pretty uncomfortable for a long term wear, but that is the only use I have had.

[Sir Chaste]

Thank you! I don't think that I would have an allergic reaction to real Stainless Steel. Up to now, my skin has probably reacted to the nickel and chrome found in cheaper alloys and plating.