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doubts on ruined orgasm

Post by kunst » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:34 am

last night my wife decided to give me a ruined orgasm after 3 weeks without orgasm.
I was supposed, as usual, to tell her when to stop. As you know it is not easy to catch the right moment. So, this time I stopped her a bit earlier than usual, and I thought nothing was going to happen so we had to restart. Instead, to my surprise, without feeling anything and without contractions, a certain amount of cum started to flow, I would say half of the quantity that is usually expelled during a ruined orgasm.
I have read somewhere that ruined orgasm should be without contractions, but it seems not everybody agree on this. So, was it a "real" ruined orgasm? If so, will I be able to replicate it? Or it wasn't?
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Re: doubts on ruined orgasm

Post by slave d » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:51 am

There is a lot of different language used around ruined orgasms and milking. In my view what you experienced was milking where there is no muscular contractions, no feelings of orgasm, no “let down” or after orgasm depression, just emptying or partially emptying out your semen. This is what MsM tries to achieve with me, and manages most times. If your KH had “gone again” and you’d got the timing just right again you probably would have still “leaked” more and maybe again !! Most i’ve seen is 3 times before you’re empty but still fully aroused, hard, and still willing to do things like eat your own cum.

A ruined orgasm in my view is a complete cop out that some sub invented so his KH believed he didn’t have an enjoyable orgasm when he did !! It simply consists of stopping stimulation immediately ejaculation begins, but it’s not much less enjoyable and all those highs and urges to do things like swallow your own cum are gone !!

So in my books you’ve just been milked for the first time, congrats to you both !!

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Re: doubts on ruined orgasm

Post by cuyahoga » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:04 am

Unfortunately, the council on sexual terms hasn’t ruled on this yet, so the definitions are still up in the air, but ...

I personally think that a ruined orgasm is the flow of semen without contractions that occurs when you get very close, but don’t go over the edge. It is not an orgasm at all, and the term ruined orgasm is a mind game. “Well, I hope you enjoyed your orgasm. That’s all you get for this month.” “But that was totally not an orgasm at all!” “I saw semen coming out of your penis. That’s an orgasm.”

Minimized orgasm would be the contractions orgasm, where the edge is crossed, but then stimulation is immediately removed. There are differing degrees here, as sometimes, that edge can be crossed, stimulation removed, and contractions can start 30 seconds later. Also, is the cock struggling not to come when it happens? Because that can truly affect the pleasure of it. And again, a mind fuck. “You did not have permission; you should be punished.” “But I barely enjoyed it!”

In porn, when I see “ruined orgasm” in the title or description, 98 times out of 100, that seems to mean they stop stimulation after the third contraction. That does not strike me as ruined at all, and barely even minimized.

Replicating it: basically, during sexual stimulation that goes on for a little while, the male body will often “load one into the chamber” in anticipation of the orgasm. I personally find that an oozing flow will happen if I edge a few times in a row, getting closer and closer. I don’t have to work at it; it just happens if I give it enough time and enough edges.
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Re: doubts on ruined orgasm

Post by TwistedMister » Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:52 pm

I think it can be a matter of degree of 'enjoyability', varying with the point at which stimulation is discontinued and the number (or lack thereof) and strength of contractions that occur.

When I have an unambiguously 'full' orgasm, it can take several days for libido to return. When an orgasm is 'ruined' to some degree, I may *somewhat* enjoy it, but it is definitely not as pleasurable as a full orgasm, and depending on the degree to which it was 'ruined', libido may return in 24 hours, or 12 hours, or even within less than an hour.

'Properly' (completely) 'ruined', with no contractions at all, I can experience 3 or 4 expulsions of semen a couple of minutes apart with little or no loss of arousal.

I have read that if one is completely drained in such a manner, one can be subsequently stimulated for an extended period of time and be [frustratingly] unable to achieve orgasm. I think I'd like to experience this at least once, with Mrs. Twisted being able to 'ride' me to her complete satisfaction, ultimately leaving me horny and aroused and [frustratingly] *unsatisfied*.
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Re: doubts on ruined orgasm

Post by kunst » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:10 pm

slave d wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:51 am
There is a lot of different language used around ruined orgasms and milking. In my view what you experienced was milking where there is no muscular contractions, no feelings of orgasm, no “let down” or after orgasm depression, just emptying or partially emptying out your semen. This is what MsM tries to achieve with me, and manages most times. If your KH had “gone again” and you’d got the timing just right again you probably would have still “leaked” more and maybe again !! Most i’ve seen is 3 times before you’re empty but still fully aroused, hard, and still willing to do things like eat your own cum.

A ruined orgasm in my view is a complete cop out that some sub invented so his KH believed he didn’t have an enjoyable orgasm when he did !! It simply consists of stopping stimulation immediately ejaculation begins, but it’s not much less enjoyable and all those highs and urges to do things like swallow your own cum are gone !!

So in my books you’ve just been milked for the first time, congrats to you both !!

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Well, then this is exactly what I was hoping to achieve, because after that the arousal did not go away at all.
If we manage to do this, maybe we can finally enjoy this game for longer time, because our main concert was prostate problems. We need to train on that more!
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Re: doubts on ruined orgasm

Post by Tessasissy » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:42 pm

If you are after just prostate health you could be milked in your chastity device through your prostate, that if done right will involve not even an attempted errection and can result in copious amounts of discharge which feels just like you are leaking. No orgasm no erection no traditional pleasure and virtually no blip in your frustration. If fully drained before PIV you are probably going to be unable to reach orgasm for several hours. So ample operunity for you wife to use you without the chance of you orgasming!!
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Re: doubts on ruined orgasm

Post by TwistedMister » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:55 am

In my own self-experiments with prostate massage, I have not been able to achieve any emission (beyond a small amount on initial contact) without [also] being stimulated near to the point of orgasm first. Then, ceasing external stimulation but continuing with the prostate massage, emission occurs...leaving me with the feeling of having been [frustratingly] 'robbed' of the orgasm which was about to occur.

Without the external penile stimulation I can't seem to achieve the result within a reasonable amount of time.
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Re: doubts on ruined orgasm

Post by Tessasissy » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:04 am

I myself since being locked have been amazed at how easy it has been to both orgasm and milk via the prostate. When I have orgasmed that way(which is amazing) I have felt quite a let down but not quite as much as with a penis centric orgasm. I found that a vibrating toy on my prostate will make me orgasm. I felt very guilty about having the orgasm as it's like cheating the chastity. So now I only use non vibrating toys. They have to be quite firm and you have to press down firmly on your prostate (not hard) I found that rocking the toy side to side and alternating that motion with a pulling back over the prostate top to bottom towards your anus works best for milking. With milking I have come nowhere neer orgasm it is an odd sensation as is the involuntary leaking which is again odd. It is not painful and is not pleasurable just odd. I think the best term I can think of for the feeling post milking is 'Paciffied' but this does not last more than a few hours and the normal horniness returns.

I would also say that it is not a fast process if you want to milk properly I would think you will need 20 to 30 mins, I have also found that the leakage is way more than I discharge when having a penis centric orgasm. So don't stop the milking until nothing has come out for a couple of minutes after you get started as you will be amazed how much can be milked.
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Re: doubts on ruined orgasm

Post by kunst » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:37 pm

We tried again and this time we failed! I had a ruined orgasm in the end. It is very difficult to get milked, I think it requires being denied for several days.
Personally I do not feel so much difference between a ruined and a full orgasm, in the sense of recovery time.
While milking as I described is like not having an orgasm at all, which is fine but not easy to achieve.
Prostate milking is out of discussion! No way to convince wife, so... I have to adapt to her will.
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Re: doubts on ruined orgasm

Post by slave d » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:05 pm

You’ll just have to keep trying, in my case the denial is always for 3 weeks minimum and i’m not allowed to orgasm at all. i think that’s part of it too, i’ve reached the point where my “system knows” i’m not allowed to cum and so milking almost seems natural now. It’s actually become a bit bizarre as MsM can have “Her seed” running from “Her cock” in less than 10 seconds virtually every time now and it just feels like accidental pee leakage, no muscle action at all, no erection, nothing !! It does lower my arousal levels but minimally and i’d still pass the cum eating test easily.

So keep trying, you will both get better at it over time.

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