The Permanent Chastity/Denial Matrix

[Tom Allen]

@cuyahoga

Tom, when you watch porn, does it feature slide rules and protractors?

I'm not really that geeky, but 20+ years on web forums has shown me that we have a lot of people in this space that are exceptionally pedantic. nit-picky, or who will otherwise take some exception.

I recently had a conversation with someone who claimed that *any* removal of a device - including for cleaning - is not "permanent" enough. So I'm trying to anticipate those guys at the more extreme ends.

@Schnoff

In my mind, “never locked” to “always locked” and “never denied” to “always denied” makes sense. That works with “never” being 0 and “always” being 10.

I have to agree. I threw out the scale yesterday looking for feedback, and this is exactly what's happening - it gives us a chance to refine it.

@Jaciie4

Denied - Often - 4
Caged - Always - 5
45 or 4,5 or 4/5.

I think we should stay away from the first example of "45" because that could be interpreted as a "score," which is going to lead to problems. Is a 45 higher or lower than a 54? You can see people arguing over that.

@Schnoff

I do think that once you have settled on what you want to label how and where your scale starts and ends, some guidance as to what scale numbers could roughly mean would be useful to people.

I agree, so when we are ready to launch, hopefully some of our members here will have given this some thought.

[Schnoff]

I can’t help myself. Natural logarithms are so sexy! Turns out, if you do a natural logarithm (e^x) and assume days, then fudge a bit, you get:

1: Play session to extended play session - hours to a few days
2: A week or two, give or take
3: Three to five weeks, give or take
4: Six weeks to three months, give or take
5: Four months to eight months, give or take
6: A year or two, give or take
7: Three to five years, give or take
8: Six to 12 years, give or take
9: One to three decades, give or take
10: Permanent - a human lifetime

I actually don’t think following an actual log scale is useful. 7 through 10 are meaningless distinctions for all but the most pedantic of players. Probably something that is a little more granular at the lower end and squishes “decade to permanent” together at the high end is more useful.

[Tom Allen]

Well, this is getting interesting.

I redrew the scale in a CAD program so I could get the scale more exact than with the image editor.

Here's what it looks like now. Feedback?

[Schnoff]

Redrew it in a CAD program ... *hrnggggg* you know I’m not supposed to come, don’t you?

In all seriousness: Looks great! Very nerdy!

[Tom Allen]

I figured the minor lines would help the, err, enthusiasts to chart their position better.

[Tom Allen]

Okay, so working with the latest graph, I'm thinking that my chastity numbers are 8, 8 or possibly 9,8.
My explanation: I'm always caged now, except for cleaning, medical, or travel, so that's a solid 8 at least. Maybe a 9 might be only removed for MRIs.

I'm also always denied, although I sometimes have a spillover (caged and ruined, sort of) during sex. However, once in a while, Mrs Edge sort of encourages one along because in the moment, she finds it hot. So, about once a month on average I'm having some kind of, I don't know release, emission, or something, and I don't seem to have much control over it. So, again, a solid 8 at least.

[Tessasissy]

How about defining denied as something like no of orgasms over a time period say a year so

1= 52 or more
2= 26 to 51
3= 13 to 25
4= 6 to 12
5= 3 to 5
6= 2 to 4
7=. 1
8=. Prostate orgasms only
9= Prostate milking only
10= no orgasms allowed at all.

Then caged could be so thing like this

1= never in a chastity device
2= in chastity on for sex/scene play
3= in chastity less than 7 days per session locked less than 12 times per year
4= in chastity less than 7 days per session locked between 13 and 26 times per year
5= in chastity for between 8 and 30 days per session upto 6 times per year
6= in chastity for between 8 and 30 days per session between 7 and 12 times per year.
7= in chastity for 31 to 90 days per session upto twice a year.
8=in chastity for 31 to 90 days per session 3 or more times per year
9= 91 to 183 days per session 1 or more times per year
10= in chastity no release At all for 365 or more days

Just a thought that to be clear you need non subjective definitions as things like regularly, frequent are open to interpretation again. To make clear it has to be defined by a time period and a number (orgasm and times caged)

Hope this makes sense

[KittensBoyToy]

Following Tom's logic I would fall somewhere between 7 and 9 on the chastity side. On the denial side of the scale my orgasms are infrequent (3 to 4 per year) but they are intentional/allowed and during PIV so I would say a 6 or 7. I would put my C/D rating based on this at 8/6.5

Using @Tessasissy's scale Chastity would move up a bit to either 8 or 9 and the Denial rating would be the same. Again going with the average I would put myself at 8.5/6

Tom's method of rating leaves it a bit more open to individual interpretation than Tessasissy's scale. If one's self-evaluation under Tom's guidelines is objective most people should be close to the same rating by either method.

Note: Edit to reflect the average of 'scores' on my self-evaluation.

[Tom Allen]

How about defining denied as something like no of orgasms over a time period say a year so

Just a thought that to be clear you need non subjective definitions as things like regularly, frequent are open to interpretation again. To make clear it has to be defined by a time period and a number (orgasm and times caged)

Who is going to count their orgasms or the number of days locked... oh, wait, that's what 90% of guys do.

I get what you are going for, but I don't want to be in the position of narrowly defining the terms for everyone else. Any numbers that I (or you, or @schnoff or whoever) assign are arbitrary, and knowing how many of the people are, it will lead to weird conditions ("I had a half-ruined orgasm, how do I count that?").

Rather, I understand that there is going to be some amount of subjectivity. What I'm trying to do is to make it easier for chastinied (made up word) guys to communicate what they mean when they say things like "I'm in semi-permanent chastity."

[cuyahoga]

On the Schnoff Scale, I’m a (2,4).
On the Tessasissy Scale, I’m either a (6,1) or a (3,1). (I have a LOT of orgasms when I’m not being actively denied.)