wife not enough dominant

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Len51
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Re: wife not enough dominant

Post by Len51 »

The biggest problem many guys have is trying to get their wives to share their fantasy exactly like they picture it. You will find a few online keyholders complain about this. The guy wants them to hold their keys or dominate them, swearing submission but then complain or disappear when the domme/keyholder does not dom them exactly as they want. I am not exempt from this. I told my wife all the ways to dominate me and it failed like yours did and that of many other guys who try similar things. Wives do not go from loving and caring women to dominatrices overnight or even over a few months; maybe never.

My wife is submissive to me and has been for over 40 years. She wanted a man like me because that is how her father and brothers are. She wants someone to protect her, lover her, make her feel desirable and treat her like a queen. She does not want to be married to a slave that she can order about. I think many of our wives are like that. In my time we had to make up our own fantasies. Now we have fully scripted ones that masses of men adopt and make their own. This becomes their fantasy. The problem with this is that most of the fantasy stuff out there is geared to be masturbation fodder. Nonetheless, we try to make it happen in our lives and that is the problem. We read that our wives gladly want to lock us up and dominate us. That they are just waiting for the chance to be a slut in a gang bang if we give them our OK. I have known a few women like that but most are not.

Our first few attempts at chastity were a disaster. First off, chastity is not D/s or BDSM. It is simply giving your wife control of your orgasm. That does not require that she dominate you. I too had a specific idea of what she was to do and it was overwhelming. I wanted her to be my KH, Mistress, and lead our marriage. She was overwhelmed as I was asking too much and going against her core values of who she is. It was not until I stripped away everything but just the Chastity part, did we start moving in the right direction. At first she used to let me cum whenever I begged her too. Then even if I told her I did not want to cum, she still made me cum because sex without an orgasm was not real sex to her. She was used to the satisfaction and validation she got from knowing that she still was sexy and attractive to me.

We worked through that over a few months going longer and longer without an orgasm for me. She got used to it gradually. Days turned into weeks which turned into months. She began to like it and have more orgasms with greater intensity. Eventually she told me that she would be happy if I never had an orgasm as she has no need for my penis and she likes not having to deal with my mess. However, she loves me so I think she will let me cum a few times a year but she is very comfortable in long term chastity now. I will probably have an orgasm in 3 weeks which will make a total of about 3 months without a full orgasm. This took us a year to get to.

As far as the D/s stuff. She is not into that too much. She will ask me to get her a cup of coffee once in a while an has be doing cleanup after dinner all the time. I massage her feet when told. Even then, she still likes to do things for herself. I remember when I told her that I would do all the housework so she could relax after a lifetime of her doing it. Her response was that she did not want me to take over her job. She saw it as a threat, not a treat. She likes running the household and taking care of it. She did not want a slave husband.

The most interesting thing was when she walked into my Man Cave/Office with a riding crop and told me that she was going to whip my butt for forgetting to take out the trash 3 times in a row. Wow! This was a surprise. She laid into me and left me sore and bruises. Now she has a small collection of impact toys and actually gets sexually stimulated by beating my butt. She does so at least once a week now. The problem is that it excites her so much that she rushes into her orgasm and I get very little teasing before she tells me to lock up. This is nothing like what I had in mind when we stated this but I had turned over control of our sex life to her and no longer interfered. When she was able to do it her way and at her own pace, that is when is started to work for her.

We will never go into a full D/s relationship. I am too alpha and she is too submissive. However, we can adopt roles for a few hours here and there. That is something you may want to tell your wife. Let her understand that you really do not want her to be cruel and mean to you but rather it is a sex game in which you both assume a role. Find a safe word and tell her that she can do anything she wants to you and if you are really in duress or think it is going too far, you will use your safe word. This allows her to know that she can safely treat you as she wants without actually hurting your person or feelings. It worked for us. For instance I know that I can get an orgasm at any time if I use my safe word. My wife knows that so she has no problem in denying me for long periods of time knowing that if I was desperate or it was not enjoyable for me anymore, I would let her know by using my safe word.

I hope my story helps you. Take it one step at a time. Try the chastity first. Let you wife know it is a game in which both of you cooperate to make you go as long as possible without an orgasm. We treat my chastity as something we both aim for, not as me being forced into trying to cheat or escape. The other thing is to take steps to not make keyholding a chore. It can be a real chore for wives to make sure you are locked up, not cheating, etc.. I made it as simple as possible for my wife. She has a standing order for me to be locked up at all time except for a few valid reasons. She does not have to check and I never masturbate and have not for a year since I gave my work. Yesterday my balls were burning so I used the emergency key after my wife was asleep. I unlocked myself, went to be, got a haircut today and then locked myself up and put the emergency key back where it belongs and then informed my wife. No big deal. If I wanted to cheat why would I even want to do chastity? I am the one who asked for this, not my wife.

I also bought my wife some ebooks which helped her a lot. Sometimes it is easier if someone else teaches them. Plus when we try to train them, topping from the bottom which I have no problem with if dealing with someone who needs to learn, we tend to give them a guidebook of things we want them to do to us rather than what they would like to do. We are 15 months into chastity and it is now our lifestyle. I no longer want to be dominated other than the few hours a week we play at it. My wife still is tentative about telling me to do things. I can sometimes see fear in her eyes that maybe she has gone too far and at those moments I try my best to let her know I am OK with it.

We are still a work in progress. I have a custom Jailbird ordered and we are now very comfortable with no orgasms for me. My wife says I have to wait a year but she does tend to surprise me earlier at times. All in all I am comfortable because I know that if she sees me suffering mentally or physically, she will let me cum. She is not a cruel person and that makes it much easier to me as I do not have to worry about anything. I have my safe word and I have my loving wife and that provides me with great comfort and allows me to surrender to her without fear or concern. Good luck to you and take it in small baby steps which may work out better for you than dumping multiple fetishes on her all at once. :)
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kunst
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Re: wife not enough dominant

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Thanks to all of you for the replies.
I discussed a lot with my wife during the last few days and she decided that we will go back to strict rules. We decided rules together, I think it's very simple:
- I cannot come from Mon to Fri, I can come only on Sat and Sun.
- during the week I get scores (negative or positive) based on my behaviour; when we get to the weekend, depending on the scores that I accumulated, she will decide if granting an orgasm and if it is a full release or a RO.
She is more happy in this way, because I will not beg for an orgasm during the week and she does not have to think how many days have elapsed...
I am happy too, because I get very excited with this game!
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Canarys Pet 77
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Re: wife not enough dominant

Post by Canarys Pet 77 »

My wife and I are very new to this (2 months of FLR, week 1 of enforced chastity) and it was me who wanted her to take control of me. I know that's usually the case, the male desiring to be dominated. I've always loved submitting to a dominant woman. My ex-wife was a natural dom who rigorously trained me to please, teased & denied, even cuckolded and humiliated me in ways so exaggerated that they seem like ridiculous "professional" porn. She did this to me when I was in my very early 20s, at a point where I didn't think I wanted any of it but felt dependent sexually upon her enough to endure it. It was all arousing from the start but I was seriously conflicted about it all.

I'm 38 now and at least a decade removed from that marriage/relationship. My wife, Canary came from a marriage where the husband was very domineering and she learned somewhat how to behave in a non-threatening way towards men but as soon as we were casually dating, I could feel her dominance bubbling underneath the surface. I would especially feel her desire to control me any time she's call to check in on me.
Throughout the 5 years we've been together, I've dropped many hints that I want her to dominate me sexually.

We've always had really good passionate sex with lots of orgasms for her and one night probably 2 years ago, I even worked up the courage while she was riding me, right before I came, to ask her that as soon as I came to sit on my face and make me clean it up. I would sometimes position my penis at her gate and beg for entry and she quickly got the idea and would play along quite gleefully.

It wasn't until 2 months ago that I finally worked up the courage to reveal the depths of my submissive desires. I felt I no longer had a choice. It turned out to serve our family better for the time being for me to work as a stay at home husband and I've been putting my all into it. A side effect is that my male-submissive tendencies were beginning to boil over as I would take care of our children and cook and clean for my beautiful and brilliant wife who is quite the force to be reckoned with in her profession. When I came clean to her, she laughed in a way that told me she wasn't terribly surprised and then we spent weeks experimenting and communicating a lot.

I certainly spent a little time topping from the bottom but ultimately I wrote an owners manual for my wife. It was essentially a large list of things she can do to either re-enforce her position of dominance and mine of submission, or things to do/say to keep me controlled and teased sexually. I told her that she could use what she liked and replace what she didn't with other activities. After that, I totally let it go. Flash forward about a month and I think, she might be doing some of her own research because she's beginning to surprise me here and there. Sometimes she denies me some experience or another that kind of bums me out (she made me remain clothed while serving her the other night) but she reminds me that SHE is making the rules and HER pleasure comes first.

And this is ultimately what I want to hear. She has me currently locked and does not offer my penis any more attention than a little cage rattling while I service her. She has very little interest so far in the tease part of tease and denial, I get nice verbal and visual teasing from her pretty frequently now but no edging sessions or anything. I think she's ready to deny me orgasm during intercourse more frequently. She's done it a few times now and it just rocks my world. Currently, I don't know when I will be released and we both like it that way. She does very much enjoy sex with me so it definitely won't be more than a couple weeks. I'm at the end of day 4. I haven't gone more than 5 days without an orgasm since I started having them back in 1990. Once I get through tomorrow, I'll be treading brand new ground and that's very exciting.

And at this point, I'm making as genuine an effort as I can to nurture her natural dominant drive and taking my own hands off of the controls. It's hard as a guy to learn to do it. It goes against conventional social conditioning for a man to take his hands off of the controls. You can't direct your woman to be more dominant as that is naturally a paradox BUT if you want to INSPIRE her to be more dominant, tell her something to this effect: The realms of sexuality and love are indisputably the domain of the woman to rule, as they are the bearers of its product and naturally the center of the family structure. They have every right to dominate their men sexually because it is their need to be pleased that has driven human kind forward since the beginning.

Also, I believe there's a line between sharing what arouses you, and directing the action. Stay on the previous end and you're in good shape.
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