The Slippery Slope

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Re: The Slippery Slope

Post by Jimi123 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:29 am

mykey wrote:I don't think that one has to be afraid of things racing out of control. To admit that one thing could lead to another does not mean it will. Everything is done consensually, in the end nobody sane sticks around to be abused. 

But it would also be a mistake to say that things don't lead on. They usually do, in all areas of life. People evolve, life is often about change. Thing is, we aren't dumb agents, we guide our evolution as adults. In the end we do what we want and enjoy. 

forget cuckolding and sissification. This seems to be linked somehow to chastity. Why? Because the porn sites have got on the bandwagon. Try to find chastity porn without an angry looking woman and a loser of a guy and you will struggle. It's of no consequence. For a while all you could see was fake breasts on tv as in porn. But most people did not go out and insert half melons in their chest. 

Let's not worry about what others have done and set out on our own adventures, and a million different adventures will play out. 
This is an excellent point. MC in the world of porn is so black and white (No pun untended but hell...)
And add me to the list that are not into cuckolding / sissification being milked, humiliation etc.
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Re: The Slippery Slope

Post by Tom Allen » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:31 am

jnuts wrote:I concur. I have agreed to cuckolding only if the man my wife is fucking is a genetic clone of myself and we must kill him immediately afterwards.
What? Without the chance to make out with him a bit first?
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Re: The Slippery Slope

Post by Jimi123 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:40 am

I read devs FLR blog in detail and see that this attempt to "mainstream" it are making some folks that are more into this Mistress Whip snapped - femdom etc) upset. My FLR is ok, yours is not etc.

What to say? I don't think Dev wrote this to do anything but point out that their lifestyle worked for them and was balanced more to the female in charge side of things and didn't require the extremes that so many websites talk about. What I read echoed some of what goes on in our reality btw...

Maybe Dev and Ab are for real (or not? who knows) I don't know. I tend to suspect that at least some of the blogs that are out there are just "wankers" who have been watching way way too much porn. :lol: If this is "I'm ok - your not ok" type stuff? I dunno... or care much. I do appreciate the conversation if nothing else...
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Re: The Slippery Slope

Post by jnuts » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:17 pm

Tom Allen wrote: What? Without the chance to make out with him a bit first?
I hadn't thought of that and oddly enough it repulses me. You wouldn't think it would since it is me. I guess I'm not as narcissistic as I thought.
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Re: The Slippery Slope

Post by mykey » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:32 pm

@jimi

I guess upset is somewhat accurate. Sensitive is more so. I've watched civil liberties in the uk be hugely eroded over the last 15 years. Nobody stood up to stop it. Every group became a special interest group. I'm not like them, I'm normal. It's them you want to legislate leave us alone. Each time the demarcation gets smaller. Handguns, smoking, arrest without charge, badly written porn laws, and a host of smaller issues. I don't like to see groups  allow themselves to be divided and become weaker and easier to pick on as a result. 

But I suspect that I should bow out now as gracefully as I can :)
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Re: The Slippery Slope

Post by likes2blocked » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:59 pm

Dev wrote:I don't believe there is a slippery slope. The problem is, there are things out there on the Internet that would make you believe that there is a slope, it's very slippery, and was you start going down it, there's no going back.

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I do think that what chastity can do is open up new possibilities to a couple. Once you take traditional intercourse off the table as a regular event, you may find that you are willing to try new things and be a little more adventurous. But this is done with mutual consent and if something doesn't quite work as expected then no need to repeat it. Like I said, no slippery slope, just experimenting and having fun.
I once went to a presentation where they were talking about thinking inside the box and outside the box. He then went on to make the point "There IS NO BOX!" I think we could come up with several different metaphors - lots of rooms, one door leads to the next, but maybe you open it, maybe not.

I think there is a slope, but the question is just how steep, and is it really slippery? The BS you cited are all trying to assert that it isn't so much a slope as a cliff, and it's been greased on the way down. Maybe it's more of a gentle rolling hill that isn't slippery at all - start here, move over there, pause, look around, maybe go back, maybe go on. That's certainly the way it has gone with us - we dabbled in this for a while, couple of months here and there, stopped, came back to it. Kind of reminds me of a funny clip in the middle of a Tom Petty album - "What's in here? Ohhh."

I think there has been a bit of a slope for you, albeit a gentle one. It's fun to read about your adventures on the blog, but what's really _interesting_ to me is the changes that this game have brought. It's very similar to what I've seen in our relationship.
mykey wrote:To answer the original post though, I think the slope is a bit slippery. Once a person let's themselves go in the bed room i think it becomes easier to do more. Also once you get used to being a bit more in control it's easier to do more. Like thumper said it bleeds into other areas a bit. Only as far as you want it to though.
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But it would also be a mistake to say that things don't lead on. They usually do, in all areas of life. People evolve, life is often about change. Thing is, we aren't dumb agents, we guide our evolution as adults. In the end we do what we want and enjoy.
True -
mykey wrote:Oh and likes2blocked? You are a stirrer You knew this subject would raise the excitement level, lol!
Yup, that's me! :twisted: More fun to actually think about this stuff!

It just seemed like something interesting to explore. We've all - even the people really new at this - seen some additional exploration that this has led to. Interesting to see how much it really does, given that I think we can all completely reject the bad porn fantasy of she clicks on the lock, he instantly turns into a French maid, does all the chores while she becomes a fire-breathing domme fuck-vixen, runs off with her stable of studly boyfriends, and he never comes again. Ick.

But I have seen it lead from one thing to the next here, but I know there's things it won't lead to - feminization isn't a kink of ours, the more extreme forms of FLR just won't work here, and no piercings for me - branding is just out of the question. But it has led to some things that a year ago I wouldn't have thought would happen, so I'm not going to say that the next year may not also bring more things. Or maybe we'll stay where we are on the slope and explore a while.
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Re: The Slippery Slope

Post by mykey » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:17 pm

The changes are certainly interesting to watch. Especially how people discover new sides to themselves, or explore old forgotten ones. Thumpers adventure, like ours, lead to a much stronger relationship. We explored new ways to interact, and rediscovered our older almost forgotten deep love for each other, and our silly sides.

I do like seeing the changes it leads to in new couples. Kink and new ways to get intimacy, not just chastity. It so often brings life and freshness back to a relationship which is warming to see. And fun of course!

Shame sandy my wife isn't into the online world. I would love to hear her take on the slippery slope, as she was for a long time the agent of resisting it, and yet is now the agent of change.
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Re: The Slippery Slope

Post by likes2blocked » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:20 pm

mykey wrote:I don't like to see groups  allow themselves to be divided and become weaker and easier to pick on as a result.
I agree, but it is human nature. We have a need to sort the world into us and them. Saw an interesting study about how people make decisions - seems people consider consequences to themselves, people they percieve as being like them, and finally a concept of the greater good and altruism. Conservatives by and large stop after the first two.

Even people who have a lot in common often don't work effectively together - for example, the different groups of non-motorized trail users are often at odds with one another. They'd be better off remembering that they all have more in common than not.

I try to be inclusive, but I also find that I still sort the world into people like me in some way, people not like me who I can still empathize with, and then there's people who I think are bad in some way, whether that's a danger to me or others.

To get back to FLR as an example, I do like strong women, D&S is a serious fantasy, and even a fun reality. But there's people who go a lot further than I do, and I feel like that's OK for them, not OK for me. And then there's people who I think are not safe, sane and/or consensual.
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Re: The Slippery Slope

Post by Tom Allen » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:31 pm

jnuts wrote:
Tom Allen wrote: What? Without the chance to make out with him a bit first?
I hadn't thought of that and oddly enough it repulses me. You wouldn't think it would since it is me. I guess I'm not as narcissistic as I thought.
I'm just citing cultural memes.

http://www.xkcd.com/c267.html
http://xkcd.com/105/
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Re: The Slippery Slope

Post by mykey » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:53 pm

True but freedoms were won and protected by those who didn't put only themselves first.

We are all individuals.

I'm not!
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