CB Series Authentication

[Locked by LRC]

Looking around I found a list that tells if the new CB series device you are buying is a counerfeit. Thought I'd copy it and pass it along.

•The authentic products do not come in velvet bags (CB-2000 and CB-3000).
•The authentic CB-3000 and Curve do not come in a hinged box that has form-fit spaces for all of the parts.
•The "Cbelt-3000" is a counterfeit copy of a CB-3000.
•The CB-4000 is a counterfeit copy of the Curve.
•The CB-3000 is only available in black and clear. (There was previously a neon red version that was discontinued in the summer of 2007.) Any other color is a fake.
•The Curve is only available in clear. Any other color is a fake.
•There are known to be Chinese made replicas of the CB-6000 clear on the market.

Another thing they stated is an authorized dealer agrees to a minium price of the devices. They can't sell it for less than this amount unless it's a discontinued item. So, they said, beware of a significantly lower price. This is a counterfeit indicator.

The only one I matched was the velvet bag on the CB-3000. About a month after getting it, the halves started to split and required a complete reglue. It sure is a nice bag with it's embroidered CB-3000 letters.

[karlcagathon]

It probably is a fake, so what? If its cheap then just buy it.
You have to first address the question of 'what is a fake?'
Then you have to differentiate between a good fake, and a bad one.

In China, Nike for example, when the factory shuts down a second crew comes in a pumps out shoes, these shoes are funneled to the Chinese market for cheap, since they don't cost $100 they must be fake right?

When I was over there you could buy CBs for nearly the cost of plastic, like $5 a unit. If you got a good fake you were set, which the majority of them were, because on www.taobao.com (ebay) the sellers don't want bad feedback.

There's a good chance that those good fakes were made in the same factory, or with the same molds in a different factory. I mean we are talking about injection molded acrylic not a car.

Now the bad fakes, simply lack the QC that the good ones get. The parts might not fit together as well, or there's bobbles in the rings, pits in the plastic, but they do the job.

I have a whole box of these bad fakes, and I won't sell these to anyone unless they know its a fake and the know that the quality isn't as good as a good fake. But I'd sell these for $30 a pop for the trouble of importing them. And when you're talking $30 for a cb, a disposable thing to try out before you buy something else, that's a deal.

Now the good 2 and 3000s can come in a box if you want, you have to buy the box separately. the 6000 comes in a bag IIRC.
None of the items say cbelt-3000, thats referring to an ebay listing im sure.
The 4000 if how you find the Curve on taobao, look that one up.
The Red CB3000 is awesome, so is the blue. And the green, superb quality.

No matter what, the REAL CB600s tend to split. Their either will or wont, but just give it a squeeze and it'll start to split anyways. This is a two piece acrylic unit with a lot of pressure on the top ridge, of course it will split. It wasn't JB Welded together, it was made in the cheapest manner possible so the company can make the most money possible whilst screwing you.

[Tom Allen]

It probably is a fake, so what? If its cheap then just buy it.
You have to first address the question of 'what is a fake?'
Then you have to differentiate between a good fake, and a bad one.

Instead of "fake," let's use the term "legitimate." Legitimate devices are the ones that are licensed and approved by the legal owners of the patent or copyright.

What you are advocating is buying what we often call "knockoffs;" that is, copies (good, bad, or otherwise) of the legal product. Another word for that kind of activity is "theft."

I have a whole box of these bad fakes, and I won't sell these to anyone unless they know its a fake and the know that the quality isn't as good as a good fake. But I'd sell these for $30 a pop for the trouble of importing them. And when you're talking $30 for a cb, a disposable thing to try out before you buy something else, that's a deal.

It's a deal... er, steal, all right. It also serves as a dis-incentive for manufactures and developers to come up with modifications and new devices. Why put the money into development if some scummy ripoff artists are going to copy it and sell them low?

it was made in the cheapest manner possible so the company can make the most money possible whilst screwing you.

Yeah, those bad, evil manufacturers are always out to screw the little guy, aren't they?

[Locked by LRC]

It probably is a fake, so what? If its cheap then just buy it.
You have to first address the question of 'what is a fake?' Then you have to differentiate between a good fake, and a bad one.

And after you get it home do you go back and say "This is a bad one, now give me another or my money back?" Let me know how this works out.

Now the bad fakes, simply lack the QC that the good ones get. The parts might not fit together as well, or there's bobbles in the rings, pits in the plastic, but they do the job.

I have a whole box of these bad fakes, and I won't sell these to anyone unless they know its a fake and the know that the quality isn't as good as a good fake. But I'd sell these for $30 a pop for the trouble of importing them. And when you're talking $30 for a cb, a disposable thing to try out before you buy something else, that's a deal.

Did you buy these fakes just to throw in a box? If a newbie is trying first time chastity and gets one that doesn't fit together right they may be discouraged to continue. If it has bubbles, or bobbles, in the ring that make it look bad, it may dicourage them from purchasing another. It it has pits and they irritate I'm sure this would discourage them from another CB series.

No matter what, the REAL CB600s tend to split. Their either will or wont, but just give it a squeeze and it'll start to split anyways. This is a two piece acrylic unit with a lot of pressure on the top ridge, of course it will split. It wasn't JB Welded together, it was made in the cheapest manner possible so the company can make the most money possible whilst screwing you.

I don't deny that the CB's will split. What I bet the fakes won't do is give you a 1 year warranty on splitting. I didn't realize this until Kept For Her stated they honor the manufacturer's warranty of 1 year when the device is bought from them. They must be selling the originals.

Originally I was trying to point out that if the price is too good, the product may not be. A newbie wouldn't know what is right or wrong. When I was a newbie I wasn't aware of the way to tell. When I bought the CB3000 the vendor said it came in a black velvet bag. With the list of being able to tell if it was a fake or not I would have known ahead of time and would have spent the extra $45 for a real one. As I stated earlier, I ended up with a nice velvet bag.

Also, what Tom Allen said, DITTO.

[thumper]

It also serves as a dis-incentive for manufactures and developers to come up with modifications and new devices. Why put the money into development if some scummy ripoff artists are going to copy it and sell them low?

Right.

Plus, let's remember for a second that we're talking about locking a thing with potentially *very sharp edges* onto a very sensitive, tender, and (if you're like me) valuable body part. Is that *really* where you want to save a few bucks?

[Tom Allen]

I just get tired of having this argument on various other groups, and I can't believe that most people justify this theft with the excuse that the original devices cost too much.

[wishful4]

Tom,

I think you are wasting your breath. Most in the USA buy on the cheap and they don't care where it was made and if someone used to make in the USA and lost a job when production was moved overseas. They don't care if it is a stolen trademark item as long as it is cheaper. Don't like to get political, but it will be the downfall of the USA, not in my lifetime, but at some point. We don't manufacture anything in the USA anymore.

[Atone]

I think you are wasting your breath

it may be falling on deaf ears but I don't think it is a waste of breath to say it. It is scary just how easy some people justify their dishonest actions. Or in some cases they truly don't know that what they are doing is dishonest, that is how pervasive this attitude is among some groups.

-A